Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:02:00 -
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shellhead wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:Personely I don't think scouts should show up on Radar >>;;;; I agree, the should only show up if they're firing especially with all the scanner stuff thats coming out. The stealth suit should I dunno, be a little more stealthy?
Good Scouts only show up when someone's looking at them, and if that happens, the Scout has already failed.
As for the Heavy, I think DUST Heavies currently fill a similar role to Brink Heavies. In DUST, you actually get more health for being Heavy than you do in Brink, but in both games, Heavies are much more about area denial and situational control.
Yes, you can tank a good number of hits, especially when you're being repaired by a Logi, but that isn't the core of what your role is.
Unless you're going up against another Heavy, a face-to-face encounter in close quarters should almost always be going in your favour. Even when you're outnumbered 3-to-1, A Heavy can put out enough damage at close range to shred most Assaults and Logis, and Scouts are even easier. If I run into a Heavy and he's looking my way, my Scout suit is going to die. If I come up behind him (like a good Scout should) the Heavy is probably going to die instead (glitched mouse users notwithstanding).
Heavies don't move as fast, but when they're in position, they prevent enemies from moving in on their position. They basically set up a location where enemies don't move, and give the rest of your team a safe staging area. Playing Skirmish in particular, where you can spawn on objectives, Heavies are great for maintaining a stable position around an Objective and stalling any enemy approach. If you can find a path with good cover, a handful of Heavies can advance with team support and basically allows you to have a focal point with which to steamroll the enemy.
The problem is that the gap from Standard to Advanced is larger on other suits than it is on Heavies, and the gap from Advanced to Prototype is even smaller on the Heavy. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:47:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Scout Laser rifle...dead heavy.
This means the Heavy was exposed to long range fire and in a position where it would take him too long to reach cover. Bad Heavy, or really well-placed Scout.
Quote:Scout Ishukone SMG.....dead heavy.
Only if he gets the first couple of dozen shots in.
Quote:Scout M.D. Unlicensed Surgeon/Shotgun??.......the dead heavy yells DR. Allcome!!, DR. Allcome!!!....save my lol proto heavy suit!!....DR. Allcome!!
Shotgun Scouts are MEANT to counter Heavies. Just like HMGs Heavies are meant to counter Assault/Logi AR rushes at objectives.
Quote:And soon(as in two more weeks) bap!! melee .....dead heavy.
Again, assuming you can reach melee range before the Heavy sees you. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.03.29 20:19:00 -
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Chinduko wrote:The heavy suit will eventually need something to compete at higher levels effectively. As they are now, the proto heavy seems to fall below the effectiveness of the proto assault suit. I do not know what should be done.
Miliita Heavy is Militia, and functions adequately for its tier.
Standard Heavy is marginally OP for what it's meant to be (although the cost sort-of balances that).
Advanced Heavy is basically how Heavies SHOULD be balanced in comparison with the other suits (price notwithstanding).
Proto Heavy falls behind, and the price makes it basically a non-presence in the game.
Solution? Widen the gap. Make Standard less of a step up from Militia. Only give it half the extra HP it gets in comparison with the Militia version, or something. Prototype suits need at least an extra slot. Just one. Or maybe go nuts and give Proto Heavies a Light Weapon slot in place of the usual Sidearm.
EDIT: I should probably mention, I don't personally run Heavies as much as I do almost everything else. My impressions are based on limited personal experience and extensive conversation with several Heavy players I know well, along with impressions I get from the forums. |